Oh deary deary me.

When I opened this thread I really didn't realise it would almost create a world war situation. How sad.

I think that this has gone on quite long enough.

Sorry Rowan; by the time I get the damn post up there is usually a cross over!

I agree with Miriam ..... the way you use the phrase Rag on a Stick is meant to be insulting, as you well know, or you would have just used the word FLAG but that would not have been denegrating of course

Just to please Rowan why don't we swap St Georges day for Star Wars day a few days later. - - - - May the 4th be with you.

With you too VM!
Dunno about Star Wars day.......
But, if I may say so, Red Nose Day seems to produce a rash of ruddy stupid symbolism in the form of red noses - even for cars - with the very laudable purpose of great fund-raising for the worthiest of causes.

In contrast, Patron Saint Days (returning to the topic) with their symbolism of FLAGS - seem to me a dignified outward sign of a deep love for one's country. Also totally worthy.

If all the people whom Megra and VM have named in their posts were alive today, you can bet your life most of them would have flown the flag from their own flag-poles.

I would also like to say that Megra's reply to Miriam and her closing comment were particularly vitriolic and insulting and hardly what one would expect from someone who keeps lecturing the rest of us about how well-educated she is.

This forum is a gentle place and a pleasant place to come to ............... please, let's keep it that way.

I'm moving this thread to the debate section because that's what it seems to be (apart from the nastiness creeping in).

Then only those with an interest in the thread need bother with it..

As a matter of interest (if it is to anybody) - there is no-one more patriotic about their country than me - the St Andrew's flag is a SYMBOL of my country - but I certainly don't worship it. After all, it IS only a piece of cloth on a stick but it's what it symbolises to me and those of a like mind.

Don't worry Mo .... it's just a round stick in a square hole

Oh Megra.....I do Thank You! I've had more than my quota of laughter for today and still tomorrow!!!

You are just tooooooooo silly and so very funny!

Thanks for moving this over, Rowan..
It's too sad that Mo's nice thread was so disrupted by Megra.

There is no communication when one can only write the same thoughts over and over with increasing rudeness.

Heigh Ho!!! That's the way it goes!

Cheers to all who were logical and understood my point of view.

Miriam

Well, I have to agree with what you have said Sass.

I have read thrugh all this and have a severe attack of mental indigestion.

Your Flag/Rag-on-Stick is whatever you choose to regard it as. It is a Symbol in which you can believe or disbelieve but phrases like `Disloyal to the Flag` are simply that - phrases.

Megra mentions what this country has given to civilisation - great writers, great men/women, great influence. This , I presume to guess, is her `personal` flag and VM`s too. Miriam`s flag is the Stars and Stripes but I don`t think she is just looking at it as a piece of cloth - its a piece of symbolism.

My Irish flag is the tricolour and to me it represents my country, warts and all. I would be mildly annoyed if anyone insulted it but I would give them the benefit of ignorance.

Flags/Rags are what you perceive them to be.

doatie

Very well put, doatie!

Sass said:
It is offensive to ME that disagreeing with YOU................over a piece of wood and cloth;---for that IS what it is!...., makes me disloyal.
THAT is what validated criticism.
If you value a flag you are patriotic.
If you do not you are disloyal.
That appalls me.
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Hmmmmm.. with all due respect, I don't believe "I" ever said that, Sass!

To each their own! and may it be Peace on this Forum!

Cheers
Miriam