Monika wrote:Thanks for the comments from admin.
I would like to point out though that the people I see in large groups in the city and shopping centres (which I was referring to as non-indigenous) here are not non-whites; they are in fact what we usually refer to nowadays as Eastern Europeans. They certainly are easily recognisable by their dress and the fact that they speak to each other in a language I don't understand; they have been appearing in Nottingham city now for a number of years and we are very used to them and theuir numbers are growing.
I am insulted to be called "racist" as I am most definitely not, nor ever was! Of course, if you knew me at all, you would know that.
Also, I am not full of "bile and hatred" towards immigrants, legal or otherwise; if I were, I would reserve it for the Westminster wets who do very little to stem the tide of illegal immigrants who are a major drain on our ever-diminishing resources.
The people of this country have every right to be worried and every right to say so.
I hoped I'd not have to post like this. I did hope that members would read the thread with my comments in my first post in mind, and accept my point of view and
start to do thinking before posting....but it seems not to have worked.
I'm going to try
yet again in this thread to explain where I, as the owner of this forum, and the one who
will take the consequences of any crap produced by members which hits the fan...not you or anyone else who produces opinions, but me who doesn't need to say a word anywhere..so not because of what
I say, because I
do know where to draw the line to err on the side of caution, unlike many on here..but because there
are those who think that advancing age entitles them to stop thinking about the impact of their opinions in a different world to the one in which they were brought up. Had an aunt who died at 94 and I physically cringed every time she opened her mouth, but then I do sometimes when my younger sister does as well...and if that offends anybody, I am sorry, but that is reality in the UK today. We can no longer say what we think
unless we watch how we say it.....and that is all I am asking members here to do...think how they express their opinions!
It is a long time since I've been able to log in as Oddquine, on the new Rowans, but my old Oddquine sig, all over the internet is "where am I ? And what am I doing in this handbasket?"....and the handbasket is heading straight to hell...but not because of people but because of politicians......but I have great difficulty with those who blame the people taking the piss rather than the politicians who encourage it. Have none of you spent the years before retirement hiding the savings which would mean you can't claim pension credits and the perks you get from that? I know many who have done/do.....and I perceive that they are benefit cheats no different to any other kind.
I have never found that Poles or other Eastern Europeans up here dress that differently from anybody else. What do you mean by differently anyway? Do you mean they wear national dress? Or they wear headscarves because many Eastern Europeans are Muslim? How does that mean they are not British Citizens? Talking in a language among themselves which you don't understand also does not make them
not British citizens. If they have been appearing for a number of years, they easily could be.....as the accurate version of the Telegraph crap as reported on the BBC illustrates.
Sorry, Monika...but the terms indigenous and non-indigenous
are now in the UK just BNP buzzwords for white, British born for generations Christians...however you care to define them in your own mind..or how they used to be defined...much as anti-semite now applies to those who think that the Israeli government needs a good kick up the backside as well as to the irrational who think that Jews are a danger to the world and need to be exterminated. Definitions change through usage...would you call anyone gay any more?
There are
no people in the UK today who could be termed indigenous under any definition of the word....not even our monarchy. Indigenous is Australian Aborigines, New Zealand Maoris, Canadian First Nations or Inuit, Native Americans and most definitely
not the mongrel UK peoples who have no idea at all where they originated because it was so far back that they have to do DNA testing to find that we all originated in Africa or somewhere like that.
I didn't call anyone racist..I said that some of the remarks on here could, if someone has a PC hat on, be
interpreted as racist..but if you want to take offence at something I didn't say, then I don't suppose I can stop you...but it is being offended because you
want to be offended rather than because anyone has been personally offensive to you or anyone on here. Equally I didn't say anything about bile and hatred...and the person who did was not being personal but referring to the tenor of the posts.....and that is what I have been trying to get through to you all....not what you are saying...
but how you are saying it.
I have absolutely no problems with trashing our politicians, and do it all over the internet myself, but what so many seem to refuse to see that, while our politicians are all colours, religions etc, they are politicians first and listen to the PC crowd to the exclusion of commonsense......so trashing politicians is acceptable, because you are trashing their
jobs not their identities....while trashing the identities of those in a "multicultural" society is a different thing altogether.
I agree that
The people of this country have every right to be worried and every right to say so.....but in the end who
are "the people of this country"? Are they those who can trace their ancestry back seven generations definitively, as I can, or those who make up their ancestry for even more generations back as the monarchy does..or just those who, as in Scotland, choose to live here and think of themselves as Scots, regardless of origins....and have been here for ten minutes, but can vote in the forthcoming Independence Referendum?
Everyone has a right to an opinion....but they have
no right to oblige
others like me, to bear the consequences of
their perceived right to expound those opinions on forums they don't own. This forum has not yet come to the stage of a succession of posts which would entail prosecuting me because of what the members say...but it could happen...and as we appear to be becoming, over the piece, less inclined to think before posting, maybe it is time to be blunt and tell you all that I will absolutely not accept posts which leave me open to prosecution and I
will go in and amend posts I think are unacceptable in tone or thrust.
If you want to have the freedom to say what you like, when you like without watching what you are saying....then I'd advise finding an American based forum where you can be sure that just about everything you say will be covered by their Bill of Rights which allows everything bar personal insults.
I'm not saying I agree with the UK attitude 100%...but it doesn't really matter if I do...I still have to take more notice of it than those of you who are able to type what you like and walk away from any consequences, because if my hosting goes down, so do the forums, the likes of Maisies websites, all my genealogy sites, my gravestone photos etc...or do you all think that a forum on a UK server is not subject to UK law and my hosts won't kick me and every site I host into touch if they are told to?